On March 31st, 2026, the EOL Cartel Secretariat organized its first Night of the year to discuss the relation to knowledge within the Cartel device, beginning from the tension between provocation and elaboration suggested by the title of the event. A new member of the School, Julián Lastra, talks with the current Plus-One of the Pass Cartel, Silvia Salman, through two texts that, from different angles, converge on the function of the hole in knowledge for the cause. For Radio Lacan, we offer excerpts from both presentations, along with the first questions and interlocutions posed to the guests by the Cartel secretary, Ángeles Córdoba.